Roster Page

It looks amazing! I think you did a great job! Thank you for all that hard work!

*spoken like the HAL9000* Hello, Dave.
What are you doing, Dave?
When you find time, Dave, would you please add the two mimes to the roster page?
*no more Hall9000* They don't really have a set picture base: I've found the French Mime Costume on google search comes up with the right idea:

Yes to both! Lol.

Apologies. Nicole's list just said Balor. We had some issues with getting the list right. I'll make the changes shortly and add the Mimes to the roster too.

Cheers.

Alright, so the roster page has been updated now with all the relevant additions.

I'm not too concerned about the "versions" of picture bases, whether it's Crazzy Steve TNA or Crazzy Steve Indies. It's just a roster icon and its only real purpose is to provide a pleasing aesthetic to a bio link. If anyone wants to portray their character in a specific visual way, my advice is to have some sigs designed. Obviously in cases were the wrong picture base was given to me, that needed to be rectified. Otherwise? I've got a little too much on my plate with clients to spare time fixing a few pedantic issues. I don't mean that to sound blunt, either - just telling it like it is.

Thanks folks!

Essentially the roster pic I have now is the wrong pic base due to the one being many many years ago before he was even anactual clown, but I guess it'll have to do..

1. The thing is, Paco, we've had this problem before. Every single time I have ever designed a roster graphic for a fed that you are part of, you come to me asking me to change it. 100% of the time. You asked me to do it for the original PAW after I designed the Luke Knux icon and told me to change it because you wanted Luke to have his hair a certain way or a hat on or something, I can't remember exactly. You've also done it with your Dick Devereaux character, insisting that I use certain pictures or avoid certain pictures, despite the fact that the picture base only has one look.

2. Then when you brought your other clown 'Zany' to another fed and I used the version of Crazzy Steve I have used for Redrum, you told me that it was wrong and that Zany is the good clown, while Redrum is the evil one. You specifically told me that Zany is the TNA version of Steve, while Redrum uses the longer hair look. I changed it for you. Now, seemingly, you've gone back on that and Redrum is to look like the TNA version.

3. Your fedhead gave me a list with more than 50 names on it, asking for roster icons for each one. I was against the clock. I'm not going to wade through anyone's bios to get specifics on the version of their picture base. If there are specifics to be noted, it should be on the list. If you're unhappy about it, take it to one of them.

4. I've not been paid for this job, despite spending a solid 12-14 hours over 2-3 days overhauling everything, while simultaneously handling my actual paying clients. At the moment this is a favour to your fedheads. If I've specifically missed something or forgotten someone I'll add it when I get the chance, but I feel compelled to make these points to you because the projection from you is one of expecting me to down tools and alter something based on your preferences, as has been the case time and time again; every single time before it, as a matter of fact.

As I say, go talk to Nicole or Press.

In an effort to defuse this,

I compiled that list. I wrote down names armed with my own personal philosophy that some of the specifics of your picture base choices weren't as important as ensuring you were present and accounted for on the roster, I wrote down "Crazzy Steve" (TNA). 

When I see RedRum, I don't look at the roster pic for my information, Paco. I read the bio, and the role-plays when they come, where it states explicitly that this guy is a clown.

The picture base is just that, a base to form an idea. I can scroll down if I'm curious to see your sig, Paco. But that doesn't reflect the content of your role-play other than to give me an idea to visualize in my mind when imagining Redrum.

I don't think that this particular hill is one worth dying on.

It's a picture. Describe him in your role-plays. Make him live and breath so good the picture does him no justice.

Just for the record, I am not mad or anything about it. I just felt I was being outright ignored before I was mentioned. For me gfx are a huge part of the game. And to see other people mentioning their complaints and then getting them fixed then I do the same and get nothing, I just felt that I was being ignored.

The graphics are phenomenal and Davey did an amazing job. I appreciate everything just as much if not more than most of the roster since I look heavily in the graphics side of things. I just wanted to make sure my grievances were heard and when Davey got the time he would edit it. I wasn't demanding or trying to start a big squabble over it. I just got a little ticked off when I felt like everybody else was getting fixed up and I was being ignored.

So I'm sorry Davey if I insulted you or pissed you off. Your hard work is not being trashed by me.

Admittedly, I wasn't very happy about the roster image because the image used isn't really accurately portraying how Rachel is at all. I was even less entertained when my tag partner brought the darned thing IC and used it to accuse her of being a vampire... but then I thought about it. V's in charge of Adrenaline IC, right? So it'd stand to reason that, to troll her some since she's tormented him plenty in the past, he asked the image staff (because PAW, IC, would have that) to use a picture from her from Halloween as a rib. So while it's not my preferred image that I submitted, well-- I found a way to make it work.

All I can say to that is I'm not a magician. I can only work with what's available to me. Your picture base, in my opinion, was the second most difficult one to find appropriate pictures of (save for Aokigahara Zombie) based on the red/orange hair criteria. I have my own criteria that I follow (large, high res images, picture base staring directly at camera, no body parts cut out of the shot (such as shoulders) and as much as the upper body in shot as possible. I trawled your picture base's model mayhem page, google images and her facebook fan page and that was the best I could do.

But again, it all comes back to the list that was given to me. Nobody gave me a breakdown of your characters. The list didn't even specify versions (such as TNA era, long hair, no gas mask, etc). Yours was the only one that specified hair colour and I followed that. I did tell Nicole that I was having difficulty finding a picture that worked for Rachel Ellsworth and her response to me was (paraphrasing) "do what you can. If it has to wait then don't fret over it."

I'll also take this time to address the Johnny Sykes roster icon and lack of one, lol. I had Chris Sabin ready to go and Nicole told me not to make one yet because the handler was still deciding whether or not to pull him and another female character (I wanna say Ava?). I had already made Ava and uploaded it, so for the benefit of saving time, I just held off on making a Sykes one. That's the reason he's not currently hooked up. 

My request to you guys from this point onward is to air any grievances to either Nicole or Press. I don't know anyone in PAW; not you; not your characters; not your back stories. I had a list to work from (a basic, really poorly constructed list - which Nicole will be the first to admit, given the number of times I had to go back to her due to how little sense it made at times). Hannah DID create a better list and have Nicole send it to me eventually... maybe about 10 or 12 hours after the roster page was completed.

Reading this back, it has an air of me throwing Nicole under the bus here and that's not my intention. I'm just letting you know the reasons for the things that have dissatisfied you and why they happened. 

Next time when someone asks for a favour, I'll tell them the truth: I'm too busy. 

Take care guys.