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Post by Lady Munin on Sept 18, 2016 5:58:32 GMT
So some of you that have been with us from the beginning and before we moved the Fed are familiar with the Sam character. He was at one point the partner fed head of PAW. Unfortunately some rather horrible rl circumstances lead to him leaving the fed abruptly with no notice or contact. Press stepped into help me run the fed so it wouldn't close. When same did come back he was not in the best state of mind, and he did a few things that he now regrets (and has apologized for). This lead to us moving PAW to a new forum and Twitter account.
Sam is back and he misses PAW he wants to be a part of it and have considered bringing him back in a probation like status, which is what we have done with similar situations in the past, but just like before we want to know how you guys feel about this.
If you have questions you can list them hear or DM me. Any comments or opinions should be listed below.
Thank you all for your time
-Munin
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Post by Annabel Lee on Sept 18, 2016 6:47:18 GMT
I wasn't here for whatever happened so I don't feel like I should vote one way or the other because I don't have all the information. My two cents is that I'm a little leary of people who have had big blow ups in the past, because there is always the possibility it will happen again.
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Post by 869 on Sept 18, 2016 14:11:15 GMT
I wasn't here either, but hey, here are my two cents... I think that people deserve a second chance. Therefore, I'd give the guy a second chance as long as it's not a staff role. Can't trust power to an "unstable" person, if ya know what I mean. And don't get me wrong, I use that term loosely cause I don't know what happened precisely.
The guy sticks around for some time and proves himself trustworthy to handle major staff responsibilities? Excellent, bring him in too.
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Post by johnnyraike on Sept 18, 2016 14:29:32 GMT
On not a staff role, I'm probably good with that.
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Post by Kassandrah on Sept 18, 2016 14:42:22 GMT
I'm not the best person to have an opinion on this seeing as a lot of the troubles arose primarily between "same" and I (lolcatz at Nicole's typies!).
I think the conditions that made it possible for the previous difficulties to occur have been eliminated. The staff operates as transparently as they can amongst one another and to handlers, so there's not as much of a telephone game going on as there was.
This fed has been gracious to me given all of what happened, and I share responsibility for the troubles, and you have allowed me to return as I have.
So, I don't think it's fair to not give this person a chance as has been given to others, and to me, in the past.
If he chooses to abuse the chance... that's on him.
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Post by Stevie Harris on Sept 18, 2016 14:57:36 GMT
I don't post much and don't have an active character (thanks Johnny) but seeing as I was around for this, here's my two cents.
I'm all for second chances and when Munin/Press bought up the possibility of Hannah coming back I fully supported it. From memory, no one went either way on it until I voiced my opinion and then people were receptive of the idea. Life happens and people deal with things differently. Online communities such as efeddding are special in a way that you can make friends and have a lot of fun indulging in a past time that you probably will rarely ever talk about in real life. The online aspect allows you to be an absolute cunt to the people and when you're going through a shit time it's easy to forget that it's a community. It's easy to shut a forum down with a click of a button over a dispute - I did it to two large internet forums back in my more immature days.
I don't understand what he did. Why he did it. Why he then acted the way he did after it. I especially do not understand why he acted a certain way to member of the roster here who I thought was his friend.
If this is a place that wishes to show that it's capable of forgiveness to those who show remorse, then I think that allowing Sam to come back after the way he acted will show the efedding community that PAW is above petty drama that plagues too many efeds.
However, if the decision is made that Sam is not allowed back then I believe that it is fair given his actions here. He did a lot to build this place up but he also did a lot to tear it down.
Only a handful of people here were around for the first few shows and I think that even less of them know the full story. The newer people will not have a problem with it because they don't know him. The older members will remain hesitant. This is a decision that should have been made in the staff room and not put to the board.
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Post by Calvin Harris on Sept 18, 2016 20:28:20 GMT
I've had a private conversation with Nicole about what my stance will be & what I'll be doing if indeed the fed decides Sam is allowed back.
By no means am I out to say that people don't deserve second chances. By no means am I sitting here saying that people should be forever judged for their behavior. No one is perfect in life and in my time I have learned there's a different kind of imperfection when it comes to the people that play this game. We all have moments in this game and in this community. I've had my fair share of them in 12+ years of doing it. There's not a single person that can say they've never had a moment of weakness where they did something and it lead to them needing/wanting/getting a second chance.
That being said though this is one of those situations where it is a catch twenty two. There are only a few people that have been in PAW since the beginning or close to the beginning (I came in like the 4th/5th show). That being said most of the fed isn't going to remember what was done or what happened. And to be honest there's no point in really going into detail. Not that anyone is or will, but just stating the obvious. So of course about 95% of the fed is going to be okay with a second chance and okay with him coming back.
Then there's the few that have been here since the beginning. As pointed out very few know the full story to what happened. I am one of those very few. I don't know what happened and honestly it isn't any of my business. However I did see the outcome of what happened. I did see how this guy carried himself. I did see how he treated his "friends" and people that were his "members" to a fed that he helped create. I did see the drama on twitter, on the boards, and so forth.
What I saw made me personally never want to deal with Sam again. (I only had a few conversations with him to begin with) and the fact that the fed had to move boards. As well as change their social media account tells me just how bad things were. He was out to bring down people and out to bring down the fed for whatever reason. Then the way he decided to pop up, this last time out. Maybe I read into it the wrong way, those things happen. However it just seemed like he was anything but remorseful for the things he has done. To me after what has been done and what I've seen it. It doesn't seem worth the second chance.
At the same time though if the fed ultimately if the decision is made to bring him back. Then as said before that shows that kind of fed that PAW is and shows that they can rise above pettiness & drama that generally crumbles most feds in the community. It shows that this is fed particularly has a great core of people and thrive to be one of the best places out there. So in the case of me or even others that might truly be against him coming back. It isn't about you. It's about the fed. You choose to do what's best for you, like the fed will do what's best for them.
Also I'd like to add that I'd disagree with Stevie. I don't think it was best for just staff to make a decision. Not when there are some people that were around that did see some of what happened. Including the members shows that the fed and the people in charge do value their members opinions on certain matters. Maybe making it a public form as this one could have been avoided and more so staff spoke to those that were around in the beginning. But I do think some members should have been included in a decision like this. Because if not those that were around during all the time could feel a bit betrayed or what not.
That being said though. PAW is going to do what's best for the fed. We'll just have to wait and see how it goes. |
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Post by Kelsey Spencer on Sept 18, 2016 23:19:02 GMT
My opinion's gonna be along the same lines of what others have said. I don't feel it's my place to comment on this because I don't understand exactly what the full story is, but I do remember everything having to be shifted from the other site to this one - I think it was a week or two after I joined. Everyone deserves a second chance, I believe, but you guys probably know a lot more about this than we do.
I trust your judgement, as I'm sure just about everyone else here does. Not sure if this really helps in any way.
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Post by Summer on Sept 18, 2016 23:58:43 GMT
My opinion is based on the handler, not what he did here. Given that I was running in a fed he was running prior to his RL issues called Uncensored. I mean he flaked out on that fed, closed it abruptly then showed up here as part of staff in PAW. And yeah, that's how I even knew PAW existed from what I'm about to mention. He used his place here to completely shit on me and my character in the "final" Uncensored show results he posted in PAW as part of a roleplay. I thought it was unbelievably shitty given that I stuck by him (and also defended him to others) prior to that vanishing only for the boards to disappear without a word and then those heinous results to pop up a month or so later.
Some might remember that piece. Maybe not. Either way, it was Sam and his girl watching the DVD of the "final" Uncensored event. I was never given any sort of apology for the fact that he completely buried my char and burned me like I'd betrayed him. So his issues are his own. I know some of what went down for him RL. I guess what I'm saying is if you want to let him back, go for it. But if he's reading this, I'm still waiting for an apology or at the very least some kind of explanation.
Let him back.
Or don't.
Either way, I'm not pleased with him reappearing now like nothing happened at all.
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Post by Lady Munin on Sept 19, 2016 5:11:30 GMT
I am thankful to everyone that has posted here in the thread, and those that DMed me privately. I can understand why some would feel more comfortable with being anonymous, and would like to be clear that if anyone else would like to DM the information will stay between us. I will be making a final decision early tomorrow, as it isn't fair to leave someone waiting longer than that.
Thank you again for all your time and input.
PS. Sorry for the typos in my first post it was late and the spell check on my phone hates me sometimes.
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Post by Cross Recoba on Sept 20, 2016 10:39:59 GMT
I'm on the fence. How does he want to return? As a competitor? If so then fine, I actually quite liked Sam but he did just disappear like that and I always knew him as someone who liked being staff.
I'd need more information to make a decision
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Post by Lady Munin on Sept 20, 2016 20:08:02 GMT
Due to the public/private feedback I've received I have decided that now would not be the best time for Sam to return. It could potentially cause to much disruption, but that does not mean I hold any kind of I'll will toward him. This was in fact a very difficult decision to make, but at the end of the day I have to make the choice that I feel is best for the fed. Perhaps one day we can reconsider the subject, but for now I wish him the best in all his endeavors.
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Post by Lady Munin on Sept 20, 2016 20:08:29 GMT
Thank you all again for your time and input.
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